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Michael Stephenson & George Hardy Turn Back To Troll 2

When I was a kid, I discovered horror films and loved them all -- whether they were good or bad, black and white or garishly colored, muddily shot or pooStephenson and Hardyrly conceived. No idea was so terrible that I couldn't watch it. Seeing the many ways someone can rethink the familiar tropes whets the interest of the true horror fan.

In 1989, several unwitting Utah actors starred in the almost-undisputed worst movie in genre history: Troll 2. Directed by Claudio Fragasso under the pseudonym Drake Floyd, 1990 horror film, Troll 2 was known as Goblin during production but, upon its U.S. release, the title was changed in an attempt to cash in on an established horror flick. Despite the title, no actual trolls appear in this one.

The plot revolves around the Waits family, who are taking a trip to visit a small town called "Nilbog" (goblin spelled backwards), but are plunged into a nightmare as they are relentlessly pursued by vegetarian goblins, who turn people into plants in order to eat them.

Most of the cast, such as Michael Stephenson, George Hardy, Margo Prey, Connie Young (credited under McFarland) and Jason F. Wright, subsequently sought anonymity upon its release -- until now.

Two decades later, the film's child star, Stephenson, makes a documentary about the film's improbable revival as a so-bad-it's-great cult fave. The result, Best Worst Movie, unravels the heartfelt tale of the Alabama dentist-turned-underground movie icon Hardy and this Italian filmmaker Fragasso, who has yet to come to terms with his legendarily inept, internationally revered cinematic failure.

Best Worst Movie begs the viewer to wax philosophical on what it means to make a bad horror film -- or a good bad one -- that was created without guile or irony, yet that finds a new audience once the irony-tinted glasses come on.

For a long time, these guys were lost in the swamp of movie hell. But thanks to the down-and-dirty genre of horror, an arty indie film like Best Worst Movie gets made, gets its boost and now gets to connect with a substantial public.

Q: You realize, this movie is a permutation on a permutation on a permutation…

MS: Yes, I do.

Q: The original movie, which was not meant to be about trolls but goblins, is made by an Italian director who can’t speak English and...

MS: Actors who couldn’t act, all [shot] in small-town Utah, around a plot that involves vegetarian goblins attempting to turn my family into plants so they can eat us.

Q: That has to be one of the most outlandish horror film premises. Then, of course, the lead actor is a dentist in real life.

GH: I was a practicing dentist before I was an actor. It takes on this whole weird life of its own for this film. I was actually thinking about going to that event [a screening of the original movie] when it was in New York. I’m a horror fan from word go. So it’s like, how do you put it all together? Do you sit there and marvel?

MS: As clichéd as it all sounds, it’s just meant to be. It’s weird because when I look back four years ago and until I had the idea for the documentary, up until that point, I wanted nothing to do with Troll 2. I was too cool. I was embarrassed by the film. And it never went away.

I actually continued to pursue areas in my life within the industry like everybody else does; I was writing scripts, auditioning; I was sending out head shots, resumes and all that sort of stuff.

Then, all of a sudden, fans started contacting me on MySpace with these messages out of the blue. This was before the resurgence, and I remember just waking up one morning -- I’ll never forget this -- and staring at the ceiling having this crazy kind of warm feeling, just smiling ear to ear and thinking, "Wait a minute, I’m the child star of the worst movie ever made; there’s a story here."

All of a sudden it was like, this is perfect for a first film, something that’s so personal and accessible to me. It became this compulsion, and I kept thinking, “What does Claudio think about this film being loved because it’s awful?"

It also felt like there was this critical mass, like it was building, and I kept thinking about this guy doing dentistry while we were filming the movie.

Q: Oh, you had appointments in the middle of the movie?

GH: Oh yeah.

Q: You didn’t take off a week or anything?

GH: No, no, no -- I was practicing and I had to go back and forth.

Q: And after the film, did you stay in touch with anyone from it?

GH: No one.

Q: So you get this phone call -- can you recreate that moment that's in the film?

MS: It really started with the fans. There was a fan in Utah -- this wasn’t in the film -- who had organized this small cast members' screening in Utah, and George went to that. I didn’t actually end up going to that screening. Then a couple of weeks later, we were on the phone for the first time since working together 20 years ago.

For me, it was one of these moments that I’ll cherish because from the very first word I could feel the love for life that this guy has, and we were sharing experiences. He had notes on MySpace; I had notes on MySpace; we started talking to other cast members. And then, the next thing I know, there was a New York City screening and that was the very first screening I filmed. And that was the very first screening I went to.   

I actually remember going to it and being terrified. I didn’t know what to expect. I really thought, "Are people going to laugh at us? Are they going to throw tomatoes at us? Are they going to boo and say, "You guys suck"?

I really thought the worst, and the only reason I went was that I had a camera in hand and was making this film. I thought, "This may never happen again; here’s the first time that cast members and fans are going to be in New York."

Q: Do you have big posters or anything on the walls in your office now?

GH: No.

Q: Obviously you aren't apologetic about it, but aren’t you exploiting it?

GH: I’ve thought about that and thought I should be documenting this whole thing that’s happening to us now, because I do have in my garage that the theater department at Auburn University did a Troll 2 party.

MS: He’s had people drive for hours to go to his dentistry practice.

GH: Just because they’re Troll 2 fans.

MS: You can buy Troll 2 in his office.

Q: You should be selling this movie in your office.

GH: Well I will once it comes out. But I thought, I haven’t even gotten the movie poster yet, Michael, I need to get the Best Worst Movie poster that’s just come out. Have you seen it? It’s beautiful. You’ve got to see the poster.

Q: The other irony of it is of course the trolls, or the goblins, whatever you want to call them, have the worst teeth possible. Has anybody ever pointed this out to you?

GH: Oh yeah, all the time.

Q: Have you had this fantasy moment where you improve their teeth?

GH: Hopefully when the DVD comes out we’ll have some incredible outtakes. The bottom line is I think we’ve even got that documented.

MS: There’s a scene that will be a DVD extra, I’m sure, but the witch from Troll 2 ended up having a last-minute dentistry need while we were in Utah for that last event, and she called George and asked to get his advice, and he basically said, “I’ll take care of you right now. Let’s go down to the office.”

He called the dentistry office. He ended up doing dentistry on the witch’s tooth in the same office that he practiced in 20 years ago. It was really surreal. And I travel with this guy everywhere and his first impression is, “Man, that guy has got good teeth.”

Q: I need work.

GH: Come to Alabama.

MS: This is so telling of who he is. At the horror convention, when nobody cares about Troll 2 and there’s that down-note in the movie, and George is in his darkest hour, the worst thing he can say about somebody is they don’t floss their teeth or that they have gingivitis.

Q: Then you bring in the Italian director, and he really doesn’t quite see it for what it is. Is it just language issues?

MS: Have you ever thought that maybe we just don’t get Troll 2? It’s funny because I’ll tell you, this whole experience has messed me up so bad that I can’t say that Troll 2 is a bad film. Think of how many films you watch and you’re bored to tears, even films that have far greater resources and are forgettable the instant they’re made.

You have a film like Troll 2 or even Plan 9 from Outer Space or some of these bad movies that were made with such sincerity and are so genuine. I mean 20 years later they’re still making impressions on people; you can’t pay for that.

Even though it fails fundamentally – acting, writing, directing – I mean horribly, abysmally, just awful in every possible way -- it was a cinematic car crash -- but the level of heart that it has!

Q: What happened with the one actress that you had to go and track down? What has happened since?

MS: Margo. Nothing really. She’s a shut-in. It’s complicated with her. I should say that when I started making this film and as it continued to progress, Troll 2 kept resonating with me, both on this triumphant and tragic level.

As we started seeing some of the other side and who these people were and actually seeing the human element connected with the worst movie ever made, it had its ups and downs.

Q: I'm still not sure if it was the worst movie ever made or not.

MS: No. And I would say it’s not. For me I found Margo very likable. Her experience with Troll 2 wasn’t that much further from Claudio’s, and there was a sense of tragedy to it. But when we showed up it was like the bright spot in her year; she was so happy to talk about Troll 2. A shut-in, she takes care of her mom, she’s very… She doesn’t want pity. And even though her experience of Troll 2 is far different than what most people would say is normal, it’s still her experience with the film.

Q: What was Claudio doing between the time when you got back in touch and when he made the film in '89? What's he doing since?

MS: He saw the documentary and wrote in an email, “It’s beautiful. I love it.” I talked to him just a couple of days ago; I still talk to him. He’s written Troll 2 Part 2. It’s crazy because he continues to get movies made time and time again.

If you think how difficult that is, just think how difficult it would have been for him to make Troll 2, work with actors who couldn’t act in small-town Utah; he got it made and still it’s having an impression on people. So he continues to make films.

Q: Darren-- who played Arnold -- is closest to the acting world, how’s he doing?

MS: He’s good. He’s living in Utah.

GH: And works for the Salt Lake City Tribune.

MS: Still going on auditions, a beautiful family; he’s happy. He’s actually been one of the guys from the beginning that has been really along for the ride and having a lot of fun with it.

Q: How many of the people involved were Mormons?

MS: I’m Mormon. There were a few of us. As far as in Troll 2, I want to say the majority. I am a practicing Mormon, that’s my belief, yeah. Generally speaking, there are a lot of misconceptions with every religion until you actually understand it. We don’t have 10 wives and all that other nonsense.

Though Troll 2 has no direct connection to Mormonism, most of the people that were in the film were Mormons, and with Troll 2 being a horror film there's still a very family-friendly innocence to it.

Q: It's in this area of, If it wasn’t made to be art, can it be art in some way? Or if it's art that’s made to be bad art; does that make it good art?

MS: When you make art you’re never thinking about the end result. It becomes something different than what you started out to make. I know this sounds pretentious, but how many people look at art and one person says “That’s amazing. I see so much in it,” and another person says “That’s crap. I could do that.”

It’s wild; I’ve seen Troll 2 in so many environments where people create friendships that will last a lifetime from the singular experience of watching Troll 2 together. And even though it was not meant to be what it is, it doesn’t take away from what it’s become.

Q: Have you been to horror or science fiction conventions as opposed to these slightly tongue-in-cheek fan events? The fan world that appreciates your film about a bad horror movie is one thing, but of course, we’re in a universe where we give support to people making horror films even if they’re bad. Independent filmmaking comes out of horror films.

MS: In the film there’s the horror convention that we go to and even amongst the horror fans…

Q: Where theoretically they embrace horror film, good, bad or ugly...

MS: They were more interested in Nightmare on Elm Street 5. It takes a very certain type of person to like Troll 2. Even in the UK, that audience wasn’t the Troll 2 audience.

The Troll 2 audience that might have been the original audience, they like any bad horror film. Then there’s the Troll 2 audience which approaches it with that degree of irony that you use maybe when seeing say, The Rocky Horror Show, which actually was a good film.

MS: You have the Troll 2 audience that will go to their graves saying it is not a bad movie. That’s the thing; bad is completely relative. What do we go to movies for? To have an experience. So whatever experience that person has with that film is personal, it’s theirs.

Who’s to say my experience with the movie should be the same as somebody else’s? And something I’ve really learned about guilty pleasures; guilty pleasures I don’t know if I believe in. You either enjoy it or you don’t, and, if you enjoy it, why are you too scared to admit you enjoy it?

Q: I’m not sure how much I liked Troll 2 itself,  but I love the documentary.

GH: It’s just all about laughter, that’s what it is. It’s about relationships and laughter, and that’s the way I’ve looked at this whole thing.

Q: How do you view all of this? You’ve just been living your normal life, but you’re really enjoying it.

GH: Oh I’m enjoying it. What I’m enjoying is the sense of humor; that’s what I’ve enjoyed more than anything else -- and many of the fans and just being around this whole resurgence of Troll 2 and making the documentary, there’s just so much laughter. I just find that’s what I love about it.

In this time of recession and all this bipartisan, Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party deal or whatever, with the terrorism and real estate prices dropping, with empty buildings here in New York City, people are laughing when they come to see Best Worst Movie.

There are 150 belly-ache laughs in Best Worst Movie and the same thing in Troll 2. I mean my gosh, what’s wrong with laughing and having fun? So I’ve embraced that part about it.

I’m here with you, you’re fun to talk to, you’ve got this great personality, and you love it!

"Buffy" Star Emma Caulfield Picks the Right "TiMER"

Thirty-seven-year-old Emma Caulfield seems like such a SoCal blond. Hailing from San Diego, she moved to Los Angeles to pursue an acting career, and got her start in television playing Susan Keats, a love interest on the series Beverly Hills, 90210. That led her to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and her key role as the demoness Anya. (Vengeance demon? No, "Justice demon," she clarified.) And she's admittedly something of a fan geek, a real devotee of sci-fi movies and TV series.

So taking on the lead role of Oona in the near-future-set TiMER, not only made sense to her, it was a role that stirred her fan juices as well. Based on the premise that a device can be made to biologically find the unique link between soul mates, it's meant to take the guesswork out of romance and dating.

But the device is not without its critics. There are still people in the world who haven't had one attached or fight the urge to accept what is seen as the inevitable. Oona's sister Steph (Michelle Borth) figures that until her true love is found, why not play around? Others like Mikey (John Patrick Amedori), wear a fake so as not to be hassled.

With the film now available theatrically as well as through video-on-demand, it's ironic, given the subject matter, that Caufield is also in the gossip press for her separation from husband Cornelius Grobbelaar.

But she has other interests besides the film's release to take her mind off such things: She has also released her webcomic, Contropussy -- created with collaborators Camilla Rantsen, Christian Meesey and Thomas Mauer -- as the first issue of a print comic book. In this exclusive interview, the lovely Caulfield discusses the implications of the movie, the device and whether she'd wear one herself.

Q: As a science fiction fan, I wondered about the possibilities of having a TiMER -- beyond thinking about the concept as a metaphor. Did you see it as a metaphor or get into the science fiction of it?


EC: I'm a huge science fiction fan, so that was part of the appeal for me in the script. Now that I've thought about it, I just accepted it, actually. That's the best answer I can give you. 

I don't think I thought of it as a metaphor for anything else; I was just like, "Oh, that's the world that this script exists in."


Q: I'm trying to decide: would I use a "TiMER?" Probably not; I'm too much of a rebel -- if everybody else is running around doing it then I wouldn't. What would you do?


EC: Exactly. I wouldn't. Where's the fun in that? That's what I fall back to. If you have the answers to things like that, then where's the adventure? It would be like knowing when you're going to die.

 
Q: I agree. The premise is that we are chemically matched and a device could track it is a little far-fetched but still I ran scenarios on how it would or wouldn't work. How far could it go? Wouldn't it be illegal? So did you play with the ideas beyond the movie's own setting?

EC: I would love to say that we did it just to prove that we're really deep thinkers or something, but to be honest, no. We discussed amongst ourselves whether we would want access to that knowledge, and I think we all pretty much agreed, no.

Like I said, "There's no adventure in knowing the outcome of who you're supposed to be with."

If everybody did follow this device, and it was supposed to work, then I guess there would be no divorce, no children coming from broken homes and a lot fewer people in therapy. So ultimately society would be functioning at a much higher level. There would be advances. Right?

Q: As the movie suggests, if you're not worrying about whether or not you're going to fall in love with a person since your true love is inevitable, go ahead and screw around. Would that be possible, would people really do that?


EC: Yeah, they have an excuse to mess around with however many people they want because they already know it's going to end, so just go out and have a good time.


Q: Those were interesting implications; but it's a whole other movie.


EC: That's actually a good point. To be honest, as society exists now, people have all kinds of justifications and excuses for doing what they do with other people and in my mind, this would just be another one. It's a philosophical question that, to be honest, I hadn't really given a whole lot of thought to. I hadn't really thought past the point of I wouldn't want to know that.



If society had the ability to do what they do in the film, ultimately, it would be a sadder existence. Though people would be happier, I think, to deny those kinds of experiences, to deny heartbreak, to deny all the wrong choices, ultimately would leave you less wise. We're far more defined by our mistakes than the things that we succeed at.


Q: Obviously you're willing to take the risk of not having one, but has your love life been more successful than your characters?

EC: I think talking about one's love life is always... It's a Pandora's box, best kept in journals.


Q: Were you worried about people asking you about it after seeing a movie like this? Did you get jokes from people?

EC: I try to circumvent those questions and just steer it away; just deflect it.

 
Q: I debated, "Do I need this device?"

 
EC: It inevitably forces one to look at their own life, and that's either a good thing or a bad thing depending on what the person has going on or what they've experienced. The search for love and heartbreak is a fairly university condition and everybody will take away from it something different.

 
Q: The director, Jac Schaeffer, had a pretty sure-handed control of things. How did you meet, or did you know each other?

EC: I had never met her before. I went in, auditioned, and she hired me. Much like everybody else in the film, I felt I had known her for a really long time. We all clicked immediately. We had this second-hand way of communicating with each other from the get-go, which does not happen. 

I don't think it's ever happened for me [before].

It was a unique experience from start to finish and I can't say enough good things about her. It was her first film and you would never have known. She mastered it like a great captain of any ship, made us all feel incredibly comfortable and confident in her hands, which is huge.


Q: I wasn't sure if that was you wearing a wig or what because I thought you and Michelle [Borth] really looked alike, like sisters. Do you have a genetic link? Did you think you looked like sisters?

EC: No, but I'm flattered if you think I look like her because I think she's flippin' gorgeous. So if I'm remotely similar to her that's really good news for me.

 
Q: A lot of times I don't think they cast people as effectively to be siblings. What did you do to make you feel like siblings?

EC: Honestly nothing. We just really got along. That's what I mean; from the minute we all were put in the room together we clicked with a natural chemistry. It was just effortless, my relationship with Michelle. It just was instantaneous, like, "Oh you, I know you."



[We had] a relatability that was unplanned and not forced and sold the relationship of siblings effortlessly. We actually don't we look anything alike so just our connection on camera must have made it very believable.

 
Q: Did the two of you complain about your past relationships? Was there commiserating in any way? Did you find yourselves bonding on that front?

EC: We did. We all met at Jac's house before filming and talked a lot about the script and about love [in terms of] this concept in general. Like what is love, what are soul mates? Just the broader concepts and then it quickly got personal.

Like all the stuff that people go through, you find that everybody has had pain, has had happiness, and everybody is just searching for that perfect complement to their life. That's why the story is so relatable to so many people who have seen it, because it's universal for men and women. 

Though I think men will be like, "There is this romantic comedy aspect, how am I going to relate to that -- this is a chick flick."

Conversely, women don't necessarily like sci-fi. I, of course, love it, I watch any kind of science fiction, but they might feel like, "Oh it's science fiction and I'm not going to like it."



Somehow it's the perfect marriage, which is poetic given what the film is about. It actually does unite both sexes and they both can get something out of the film. It is not geared towards men, it's not geared towards women, it really is geared towards people, and everybody can walk away from seeing the film asking some questions about their life. It does everything; it's bitter-sweet, sad, and funny. It's all of it.


Q: What did it feel like being the lead, the one who's got to carry the movie? You've done a number of shows where you've been a crucial member of the team, like in Buffy the Vampire Slayer but the whole thing is on your shoulders here. Were you glad to have that opportunity?


EC: I've done it before and there is a little bit of pressure. You have to dig deep and get out of your ego and insecurities, and just do your job. Luckily I was supported by amazing people who made my job much easier. 



The fact that people are lovely the film just makes me happy, like good I did my job. Really, at the end of the day, that's all I really want to do, is just sell what I'm doing.


Q: You're the older woman with a younger man here; have you ever found yourself in that circumstance and what do you think of that kind of relationship?

EC: I have been in that circumstance. I think actually I once had the exact age difference in the film. Is that the reason it ended? No. It makes things more difficult, you know what I mean?

There's only a certain amount of relatability that can occur with a certain age difference. 

Although there are plenty of people out there who make it work, quite famous people actually, who have huge age differences and whatever it is connects them transcends age. It's just not my experience.


Q: After playing a dentist in this movie, did it make you worry about your teeth? Did you think about having your teeth checked? Did you call your dentist to do research?

EC: In all seriousness, it actually did. I avoid dentists but I just went to the dentist and I think it had been four years.


Q: And you've got good teeth.

 
EC: I'm lucky; I'm genetically blessed with good teeth. Still, they said I have a cavity, and that's what I get for not going to the dentist for four years. Which is sad because the longer you wait then of course, the worse your experience will be each time you go to the dentist and yet I just continue to avoid it. It will probably be another four years before I go again.

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Photog Greg Friedler Becomes Stripped Naked in Las Vegas

When I got the press release about this film, Stripped: Greg Friedler's Naked Las Vegas, that was being released asFriedler a DVD and as part of Showtime's rotating schedule, I figured, "What a weird thing to do to yourself." Here is a film shot by a documentary filmmaker about a photographer as he does a documentary photograph book about people willing to be photographed naked.

So when visual artist Greg Friedler decided to mine the making of his latest book as material for a documentary, what happened in Las Vegas didn't just stay in Vegas. The feature-length documentary chronicling this avant-garde photog creating his latest book in his Naked series premiered in March 2010 on Showtime.

Friedler got a chance to have others step into his world when he enjoined director David Palmer to fashion this film. A New York native, Palmer has worked in Hollywood for over a decade as a director, photographer and editor on docs, features, commercials, branded content and music videos for such talent as Juvenile, Nelly, Toni Braxton, Lil Wayne, The Dandy Warhols, The Charlatans UK, and Tripping Daisy. Palmer completed two half-hour TV docs for Rip Curl, and his next film is an indie mocumentary, Brothers Justice, starring Dax Shepard and Tom Arnold.

But this isn't 39-year-old Friedler's first nudity project -- he made three previous books before this one set in New York, London and Los Angeles. Most photographers are lucky if they have one book in their lifetime these four and more. And he has had two films made about his work already: Naked London on the BBC in 1999, and now Stripped: Greg Friedler's Naked Las Vegas.

Stripped: Greg Friedler's Naked Las Vegas is still garnering attention; it will be featured at the Las Vegas Film Festival on June 6, 2010, with the Colorado-based photographer attending. Currently shooting three new art projects, Friedler's gearing up to teach his workshops, to write a book about human suffering and to shoot his first narrative short this summer in Denver. And he is launching a new website, www.friedlerthinking.com, that will be live later this week alongside www.gregfriedler.com. Still, he found time to sit down and denude the core of his art.

Q: What's the fascination with getting people to expose themselves, of becoming naked in public?

GF: Spencer Tunick is [the photographer] who does [the public thing].
 
Q: By "in public," I mean you’re seeing them clothed, then seeing them naked. It’s in a book and a movie going out to the world. So it’s "public" in that sense.
 
Greg Friedler [photo: B. Balfour]GF: This deals with documenting people in a non-sexual, non-erotic way. This is not about sex; it’s about showing the entire person as they exist in society.

The clothed and unclothed, what they do for a living, their age -- all ties into my fascination with documenting society. Showing how someone looks if they’re a banker. How do look in their clothing? Then, how do they look when they’re naked?

When they’re naked they’re on [an equal] playing field because there are no demarcations of what they do for a living, their wealth or their poverty or whatever. It’s just the raw person. I saw the opportunity in Vegas because of what I did in London and the BBC documentary in London. I just had a vision for it and we did Stripped: Greg Friedler’s Naked Las Vegas.
 
Q: When you made the film, did people react differently than when you made it strictly as a book? You're asking people to be in a movie about it, so it has a different layer or level of exposure, so to speak.
 
GF: I took photos of 170 people in Vegas, which is a huge number because only 75 people make it into the book. I think only one out of those people didn't want to be in the movie, only one. So they went for it and it was great.
 
Q: There’s got to be a slightly different permutation to making a movie versus making a book.
 
GF: Well it's a different paradigm; it's a different starting place. The book is, "Okay, I’m going to shoot you clothed in three shots, three shots nude, ask what you do for a living and your age, and then, 'nice meeting you,'" and moving on to the next person.

The film is just a different set of assumptions. But only one person out of 170 did not want to be in the film, so it worked out.
 
Q: In New York, you can walk up to people on the street and say, "You want to be naked in a book?" Naked Cover

GF: That's not my style exactly.

Q: You obviously were trying to get different walks of life, so how did you find people when you got to individual cities?
 
GF: I found people through websites; I placed ads on places like Craigslist. You find people however you can find them. I talked to the bartender at the Stratosphere, where I was staying, and he did it. You just talk to people and you feel them out and see if you think it would be something they'd be interested in.

When you show them a published book like Naked New York or something, all they can do is say yes or no, and I would say I'm 50/50 -- 50 percent of the time they say yes.
 
Q: How different were each of the cities?
 
GF: Well, New York was the original city, so I did it as my thesis for grad school at the School of Visual Arts. I shot in a friend's dingy, tiny loft in Chelsea on West 27th Street between 10th and 11th before it became nice.

I shot that over a year. I placed an ad to begin with in The Village Voice, and 11 people responded. I met with them at the ScThe poster for the filmhool of Visual Arts in a studio and talked to them, then somewhere within those two weeks, I decided I didn’t want to shoot them naked in the studio. I wanted to shoot them clothed and naked in a loft, and did that.

I shot it over a year and it was an amazing project. L.A. was next and that was quite different because L.A.'s got a very different feel to it, a different energy and culture. L.A. was good but not great.

London was amazing. Not exactly with L.A., but New York and London are very, very old cities with deep roots. Vegas isn't like that. It's a very new city. It's a very specific, transient culture in Vegas.
 
Q: What was a common thread with the people that were willing to be naked?
 
GF: Well, you have your nudist contingent. You have the everyday Joe Blow lawyer/accountant who's got kind of a wild streak to them who wants to be in it. You're got your sex workers, which were a very huge population of Vegas. You have people that are dealing with entertainment and gambling.

But I knew going in I wasn't going to get celebrities, or get people that are Playboy models; and I wasn't going to get people that are hanging out at the Palms casino. I wasn't going to get that demographic because they have no reason for doing it. It doesn't promote their career at all.

Some of the people I shot were high on meth. The meth problem in Vegas is worse than anywhere else in the country; it's insane. There were four people I tried to track down. I went through friends, and they were like, "Yeah, they're dead. They moved." Meth is a huge problem in Vegas.
 
Q: How did it feel to be the subject as opposed to being the documentarian?
 
GF: I don't really love it, but I put up with it. I cringe when I see myself on screen.

Q: This film project was directed by David Palmer. Did you ever consider directing it yourself?
 
GF: I was thinking about it. The whole thing was my idea; I came up with the notion of doing Naked Las Vegas and documenting it. In 1999, I went to London for eight weeks and they did a documentary about me shooting Naked London, which aired on the BBC.

Q: What was it about this particular director that made you feel he was the right guy to do it?
 
GF: He was very excited about it. He had the right kind of energy and ideas, so we hooked up.
 
Q: Did you fight the urge to micromanage?

GF: I didn't want to micromanage.

Q: Were you shooting the movie while taking the pictures?
 
GF: During the entire month of August 2007, I was shooting pictures and he was shooting the movie.
 
Q: How different was it having David shoot the movie while you're doing the pictures?
 
GF: Not very different. I tried to keep it real and just let him do what he wanted to do. He would have me go and open a door or do certain things so that he could edit it back into the film later on.
 
Q: The difference between the book and the movie is that people are sharing directly into the camera. You’re getting their feedback. There’s something communicated by the wordlessness of the book, but by having the words heard here, what effect did that have for you and the viewer? Does it change or enhance the experience? You're the subject of the film, but you’re not; you’re the generator of it but you’re also the subject. Being videotaped doing the process makes for two different subjects.

GF: Sure. The real subject matter…
 
Q: There's documenting you doing it; it’s a layer upon a layer. It’s different from documenting something that’s just happening. It’s one thing to go into the whorehouse and go in to videotape it.
 
GF: It’s a documentary of me on my journey and Naked in Las Vegas. It’s a documentary that has its ebbs and flows of what I’m thinking, what I’m feeling, what I’m wanting.

During some of the film I’m really down. I’m not in a good mood because Vegas is an exceptionally crazy place to go for 30 days; it’ll hurt your soul big time.

I ran into a lot of problems with not being able to find people to shoot, and what I ended up doing, which was very wise, is Vegas, like Denver and some other cities, has First Fridays.

Usually I would shoot over a weekend and shoot 15, 20 people a day, if that. On First Friday in August of 2007 we put up a banner and I shot 55 people in the back of a gallery in three hours.
 
Q: What were the similarities and differences between people from New York, LA, London, Vegas?
 
GF: One good one is there was a gap from London, which is 1999, to eight years later in Vegas. One big thing is lack of pubic hair. A big lack of pubic hair, almost no pubic hair.

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, the guy in the film who’s the homeless man -- I fell in love with him -- is just amazing, he doesn’t have any pubic hair. The guy doesn’t know where he’s going to sleep every night, and he’s shaving his pubic hair. That befuddled me.

That's why I am into being an artist, to ask, "Why is this woman wearing fake nails and why is she wearing this type of fake nails and what does that mean about her and what does that say about her humanity?"
 
Q: You are right. What amazes me is that even normal, ordinary people shaved in this thing.
 
GF: In the film, I talked about the lack of pubic hair and then  -- Oscar Goodman’s the mayor of Vegas -- I say as a joke, “Yep, it’s almost like Oscar Goodman put out a mandate: 'No more pubic hair for females.' ” He’s in the film; it’s hilarious. I cannot believe he signed a release and went in the film, but it’s hilarious.
 
Q: But not naked...
 
GF: No. Are you kidding me? He’s with the book and says, "I'm going to have to look at this after 10 martinis."

Q: Do you think of the gap in terms of era? Or is it more about place?
 
GF: Something changed in society. I don't think it has to do with London versus Vegas. And I wonder about these things. Where do they get the idea of shaving their pubic hair?
 
Q: You say there's an obvious gap between New York,  London and this book. New York was your first shoot.
 
GF: New York was in 1995.
 
Q: Would it be interesting to go back and do an addendum to New York and see if it was any different?
 
GF: It would be interesting to see if people look any different, if the people that came forth did anything different for a living.
 
Q: Or go back to the same people.
 
GF: Well that would be the only way to do it. I can't do it because I don't have contact with those people, but if I so choose, and I wouldn’t choose, but I would probably go back and do London if I could find those people. London was a very rich experience. It’s an amazing city; it's a big city, and I got people from all walks of life. When I get my hands on Naked London, I'll send it to you. You can watch that DVD.
 
Q: And how was LA versus New York?
 
GF: L.A. was very difficult. I succeeded, I did a good job, but it's not as powerful a book.
 
Q: Who would have thought L.A.? Because they go to the beach and they’re virtually half naked.
 
GF: It’s hard to get in touch with people in L.A. They’re so spread out and it's a car culture. It's very different. L.A. was not my favorite at all.
 
Q: I was in L.A. recently; I stayed in Venice part of the time.
 
GF: Venice is where I shot the L.A. book.
 
Q: I love Venice.
 
GF: I do too. I shot in a private outdoor courtyard.
 
Q: How did you find it?
 
GF: Through a friend who’s an artist who had a space next door. A guy that used to date Sandra Bullock who's an artist found me the space; it was brilliant.
 
Q: Did you find a difference in the kind of jobs that people had in L.A. versus New York or any of the other places?
 
GF: No.
 
Q: What also interests me is the difference between the men and the women. Do you find that the women are more willing to be naked -- or the men?
 
GF: You know what? It's even. There’s no way to really know it. People came forth, and they were very open, very loving, very nice, and they didn't have a problem with it.
 
Q: Any differences in terms of age range?
 
GF: It's always harder to get older people, always.
 
Q: I'd be hesitant just because I'm fatter than I used to be and it bothers me.
 
GF: Younger was not a problem. Middle-aged was not a problem. It's just a little older and was a little bit harder. I got more people in New York and London that were older.
 
Q: You were saying that when you do a book like this, you're also getting a sense of the character of the people.
 
GF: I do a book in a specific city because I'm interested in the culture; I'm interested in the people; I'm interested in the place. I get to know the people through the city and the city through the people. It's all one.

It's not about shooting naked people; it's about educating yourself about what a place is about. What is the culture? What are the trends? What's the energy?

And I did it in Vegas, and that's why Tokyo would be exquisite. If I do another book, like in Tokyo, I'd want to do that a little bit more, but it will not be another Naked book. It will be a massive survey of Japanese culture which involves my photographs and the work of three writers. We'll see what happens.

Q: That’s another reason why it was good documenting London or Vegas as a film… you’re learning about the people there. That isn’t easy to convey unless you have a camera there to share it.
 
GF: It’s conveyed in Stripped. It sheds light on a lot of things.

Q: The books offer one kind of aesthetic experience. Seeing images is one kind of experience. Seeing them in a film, it's almost like an adventure story unfolding as opposed to just seeing the end result, a document.
 
GF: Of course; it's a film versus a book, a film versus an art project. It's seeing something on a printed page versus motion picture. It uncovers a lot more.

Q: Did you ever think about getting naked yourself and doing your own portrait?
 
GF: Not really in these books. I'm in a couple of books naked. There's a book called Self Exposure where I do a self-portrait.

For now I'm over the naked thing and just moving on to other things. Things kind of ebb and flow as an artist, and you've just got to shoot what you want to shoot.

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Christopher Mintz-Plasse Wants to Kick Ass

Finally, a costumed crime-fighter film that's honest. In Kick-Ass, there's none of this smarmy above-it-all New York Times crit shit -- this is a comic book fan's movie, one for those who used to draw their own stories in grade school. Christopher Mintz-Plasse

For the supposed heroes here -- from naive teenager Dave Lizewski aka Kick-Ass (Aaron Johnson) to Damon McCready a.k.a. Big Daddy (Nic Cage) to his daughter Mindy a.k.a. Hit-Girl (Chloë Grace Moretz) -- crime fighting is risky business, especially when superpowers are absent. It's best to be armed with weapons that can deliver injurious, even fatal, results.

Based on the cheeky comic-book miniseries by writer Mark Millar and artist John Romita Jr., this film, directed by smart Anglo Matthew Vaughn, employs action as a style statement. Of its stars, Cage may be the most recognizable, but it's really the kids as teen avengers that make it a sweaty and dirty-mouthed masterstroke.

Within this context comes the deliciously inept and insidiously flawed Red Mist (Christopher Mintz-Plasse), who might have been Kick-Ass' real buddy had he not been such a narcissistic jerk-off. Beaten down by his Mafioso capo father, Frank D'Amico (Mark Strong), he hungers to please. To gain his father's respect and love, he does something that as a comic-book fan he normally couldn't imagine doing: He becomes a turncoat, and lures his costumed cohorts into an ambush.

Kick-Ass' conflicted nature, Red Mist's betrayal, hypnotic violence and nuanced 21st-century twists (Kick-Ass becomes famous through MySpace) elevate this movie from a dimwitted parody to a twisted psychodrama.

And while Moretz may be the real action figure, and Johnson, the potential heartthrob, Mintz-Plasse plays the un-crime fighter with all the pent-up angst and sexual awkwardness that effectively connect him and his character to his fanbase. Whether as McLovin (the iconic role he played in his cinematic debut, Superbad) or as Red Mist, M-P nails the overwrought state of teenhood. And his gangly angularity just enhances this role, whether intentional or not.

Having managed to establish one iconic character in a career remarkably scant on credits, M-P is a scene stealer with a hangdog face. Here, as in his upcoming turn on the cult-hit Starz sericomedy Party Down, Mintz-Plasse turns out to be a real actor, one who yearns to get beyond his own caricatures.

Nonetheless, when he saunters into this small roundtable interview a little late, he jokingly explains with a characteristically McLovin swagger that he was down the hall "doing coke and having sex with whores." We are not fazed. So to get down to business...

Q: Were you familiar with writer Mark Millar’s work and comic books in general?

CM-P: I wasn't too familiar. My dad has been a huge comic book fan since the '70s; he's got [more than a] thousand in our garage and by the toilet, something to read when he's going number two, and by his chair.

He's a massive Mark Millar fan, and I know I've read some of his comics back in the day, but I can't quite remember. Once I got the movie, my dad was so excited. He flew to London to hang out with Mark actually for a couple of days. He was very excited for that.

Q: In the comic, your character is quite a bit different. How did you get to be Red Mist?

CM-P: He's tougher, more the bad boy. I think Matthew [Vaughn, the director] wanted to change that because he wanted my [character's] father to be the main bad guy. So he wanted me to be kind of the son that's never the son his father wanted him to be. And he always wants to be in the family business, but then he created Red Mist. He's smarter; he creates it to lure Kick-Ass to him. I think it's very genius.

Q: Given your [real-life] father's [fan-boy] proclivities, did you get John Romita Jr. to do any drawings or artwork for him?

CM-P: Of course. The funny thing is that, 10 years ago, actually more like 12 years ago, my dad ... he can kind of draw, and my brother is a huge Iron Man fan, so he painted a mural of Iron Man on my brother's wall. It was actually Johnny Romita's Iron Man that he copied. So he took a picture of it, printed it out, brought it to the set, Johnny signed it, and then my dad also brought like 50 comics for Mark to sign. I felt really bad. But he was really excited about that.

Q: I heard that someone thought that Red Mist is sort of like Adam Lambert.

CM-P: I was going for the David Bowie look, and then some asshole was like, "Hey you look like Adam Lambert," and I'm like, "You ruined it all for me, man." I don't want that; that's not what I think.

Q: What was your inspiration for playing that character?

CMP: The Chris D'Amico part is very tame and low-key; he's always looking for his father's acceptance. Then when he created Red Mist, he allows his alter ego to come out: freer, smoking weed, blasting music and dancing with Kick-Ass. That more party side to him is what I was going for.

Q: One interesting thing about Kick-Ass is that it's about regular guys or kids. You spend a lot of time in that costume. Did you have some kind of training?

CM-P: I didn't have to do too much training. Chloe did a lot of training for this movie. But I hated that costume. It was awful. The first day it was amazing because I look so cool in it, and then after that you wear it for 12 hours a day and sweat non-stop, so you've got to just keep hydrated. Then the cape was tied very tight around my arms, and it would cut and I would get bruises and weird rashes in places. It was very, very uncomfortable.

Q: Aaron has discussed the jock strap problem of the costumes.

CM-P: Yes. And he had a one-piecer too, so it was very hard for him to go to the bathroom.

Q: Was there just one costume?

CM-P: They had two or three of them. They had one just regular and then they had one dirty one for the warehouse scene, when it burns down and [the uniform] gets all smoky and dirty. And they had two regular ones.

Q: Any regrets that you didn't get to be massively trained by all the wonderful stunt people?

CM-P: There's always that. But then four months into it, I'm just sitting there eating a sandwich and drinking a coke while [Chloe's] stressing out and working so hard. I was just kind of kicking back. But if there is a sequel -- knock on wood -- if there is one, I think I would train for that one and do some pretty cool stuff.

Q: Is it interesting to do an action movie where you might not usually be considered for that kind of role?

CM-P: Yeah, that's why I got excited when they sent me the script. And then I read it and I was like, "Oh, my part doesn't even do any action." But to be a part of something like this is amazing because these are my favorite kinds of movies, very well-done action movies.

Q: Do you ever worry about getting typecast?

CM-P: Not yet. In Superbad  I was kind of a nerdy character, and [in] Role Models [I] was kind of a nerdy character, but polar opposites. The McLovin character was very confident, and in Role Models he just had no friends. In Kick-Ass, he's not really a nerd or anything, so I'm not too worried yet.

Q: Was there any concern that the amount of X-rated language and violence was going to limit the audience?

CM-P: In my opinion, if I heard people complaining about a movie having too much violence, I'd be like, "Fuck, yeah, that's good, I want to go see that movie even more."

Q: But in terms of the ratings...

CM-P: I don't know. I don't listen to that kind of stuff because whoever it is that's complaining, they haven't seen the movie.

Q: In the UK, where it's out, there's been a lot of controversy.

CMP: Really? Who's doing it?

Q: One of the critics was saying...

CM-P: Oh, is it the Daily Mail ? They bash on everything, though. Fuck that [newspaper]. You can quote me on that -- "I don't care, man."

I just have to say, it's a comic book movie, it's all taken from the comic. If you have a problem with the movie, then you have a problem with the comic. There's nothing we can do about it. That's your fault for not enjoying the movie.

Q: Do you worry about kids imitating it?

CM-P: You'd have to be pretty stupid to imitate what happens in this movie. There aren't going to be any 11-year-old girls going out and trying to murder people. I know that. Or maybe there will be.

Q: The swearing wasn't really bothersome; it was more the violence.

CM-P: See that's the thing. People are always like, "Oh, you swear," and I'm like, "What about the violence?" I'm glad you say that, because people are always worried about the swearing; but she murders people.

Q: Was it weird to see her on set doing that stuff?

CM-P: It was awesome. It was so cool to witness it backstage and happening right there. It was very cool, very exciting for her.

Q: But 16-year-old vigilantes... You can see this little girl going after Mafiosos.

CM-P: I guess so. Do it at your own risk. I'm not promoting it. I don't want people to do it, but if they do it there's nothing I can do.

Q: So who do you think is going to see Kick-Ass? You've got the kids' faces everywhere, but it's an R-rated movie.

CM-P: I'm hoping we get the teenagers. Teenage boys are going to love it. My dad loves it; comic book fans are going to love it. We just did a screening in London, an all-girls screening, and they loved it.

Q: How old were they?

CM-P: Different ages; 20 to like 40 or 50. Aaron's a very cute guy, so I'm hoping girls will want to go see him [as well].

Q: Did you actually get to drive the Mistmobile?

CM-P: Yeah. That sucked because it was a stick shift, and I'd never driven a stick shift. So I had to learn on that car and it was like a $200,000 car. And if I wrecked it I'd have to pay for it. I'm getting all nervous and clammy right now just thinking about it.

Q: They didn't have insurance on it?

CM-P:They did. But Matthew [Vaughn] threatened me anyway.

Q: You didn't get to borrow it and take it out on a date?

CM-P: I didn't want to. I didn't want to touch that thing; I didn't want that on my hands.

Q: Were there a lot of pranks played on the set while you were making this movie?

CM-P: There were more pranks on Role Models. There weren't any pranks on the set.

Q: What was the vibe?

CM-P: Very relaxed, very fun. The thing is with Matthew, he has the same crew that he worked with from Stardust and Layer Cake. He always works with the same people, so you come in there and it's already a family. And they just accepted me right away and Chloe and Aaron; it was amazing.

Q: What about working with such a fierce character actor as Mark Strong?

CM-P: He's amazing; he always plays the villain in the movie, but you come in and he's just the sweetest, most down-to-earth guy. He's always got his family on set -- his two little kids and his wife. But actually, not on the violent days; he wouldn't have them be there. He didn't want them to see him beat the shit out of a girl. A very amazing, talented actor. I was excited to work with him.

Q: Did you take any notes from him?

CM-P: You just kind of watch. He's a different actor than I am. It's hard to take what he's doing because he's got his own thing and I've got my own thing. But we improved a little bit off each other, and you just kind of watch his facial expressions and learn from that.

Q: Were you free to improvise?

CM-P: A little bit. It's not like in Superbad and Role Models [where we] improv'd every scene pretty much. This movie was very straight to the script because action movies, you've got to keep them going. You can't improv an action scene; that won't work. But there were scenes when Aaron and I were driving in the Mistmobile and they let us do a little improv in there.

Q: Did you have a favorite gun? Would you want to take one home?

CM-P: I like the Barretta 50-caliber or whatever it's called. It's like a sniper gun. If I could have one of those I would be unstoppable.

Q: Not the bazooka?

CM-P: No, that would blow me away. That would push me back like 15 feet.

Q: I heard your dancing in that one scene was improvised.

CM-P: It was, yeah. There was no choreography; if there was choreography I would have been embarrassed. Matthew just put on 15 minutes of music. Gnarls Barkley... I was actually dating a girl out there that was in a band and he would kind of fuck with me and throw her band on while we were trying to dance, so that was fun. And then a bunch of other music and we just kind of grooved and danced.

Q: So we heard you're going to be a motherfucker?

CM-P: It's way too far in the future to know. I know that Mark is writing Kick-Ass 2 in a couple of weeks and he wants to change Red Mist's name to The Motherfucker, which I think is hilarious.

If they make the movie that will be very uncomfortable because people will be like, "Aren't you that Motherfucker?" I'll be like, "Those are fighting words, man. Don't be doing that." So we'll see what happens.

Q: I heard that the premise for the name change is just so that people can stop calling you McLovin.

CM-P: That's Mark, man; he's a genius like that.

Q: Will you be glad to not be called McLovin?

CM-P: Oh, it doesn't matter to me. For the rest of my life people are going to remember me [for that]... Hopefully they remember me for that character because that was my first movie ever, it put me on the map.

I got to do Kick-Ass and Role Models and all these movies I've worked on, so I'm always forever grateful for that.

Q: What else do you have coming out to balance out your career?

CM-P: I just had an animated movie that was released that did very well -- How to Train Your Dragon — and then I’ve got another voiceover for Marmaduke coming out. After that I have a few scripts that hopefully I'm going to be attached to. We’ll see when I get back to Los Angeles.

Q: What are you doing in Marmaduke?

CM-P: The voice of a little puppy. I love doing voiceover; I've done two of those now. And I love feature films, so whatever. If it's a good project I'm in for it.

Q: What about stage work?

CM-P: I’ve done theater since I was seven or eight, I believe, and I love that. I love the feeling of being in front of a live audience and doing that, so I would always be willing to do that.

Q: Have you ever wanted to do stand-up?

CM-P: I've never done stand-up. I’ve never written anything, and you have to write your own jokes, obviously, so if I do stand-up it will be a ways away.

Q: You could just improv it.

CM-P: That’s hard, man, very hard. I’ll do improve with other people, but stand-up comedy is just too stressful.

Q: Are you more likely to go into something like stand-up or to push into drama faster?

CM-P: Probably drama. To be honest, I probably won't do stand-up. And I'm always up for doing improv because I used to do improv with three of my good friends back in high school, and that’s always a lot of fun. But I want to try some drama.

Q: You're in that series of shorts, Untitled Comedy?

CM-P: Yes. [Put together by] the Farrelly brothers, that’s right.

Q: Do you know when that’s going to come out?

CM-P:There's no due date yet. I think they're still filming a couple, if I remember correctly. But my short is with Chloe, actually, so we got to work again on that.

Q: Can you tell us a little bit about what that’s about?

CM-P: Liz Banks directed [my segment], so it was very exciting to get to work with her again as well [after working together in Role Models] and with Patrick Warburton, Matt Walsh, Jimmy Bennett, and Chloe. It's about Chloe is dating my younger brother, and I'm like the douche-bag 20-year-old brother who's an asshole. Chloe gets her period for the first time, and she’s around three dudes who have no idea what to do [about it].

Q: Does Patrick Warburton play your father?

CM-P: He's my father and he's fucking good in it, man. It's amazing.

Q: Are you going to write and direct in the future?

CM-P:I have no idea. Two of my best friends are really good screenwriters, so when I get back I think I'm going to try to write with them. But that's very hard ahead in the future.

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