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According to Wikipedia, "11-11-11 is a date which reoccurs every 100 years (every 300 years for it to fall on a Friday), when written in a 2-digit year style. For various and often not well understood reasons, people often ascribe different kinds of significance to dates and numbers; for example the 2011 "11-11-11" showed an increase number of marriages taking place in different areas throughout the world, including the U.S. and across the Asian continent. Babies born on this date also received special media attention."
It is also the title of a supernatural thriller created and directed by Darren Lynn Bousman. The 33 year old director established his genre creds directing Saw 2, Saw 3 and Saw 4 and then went even further creating his horror sci-fi musical, Repo! The Genetic Opera.
Continuing to explore these genres he's done a re-make of Mother's Day and now 11-11-11 -- an apocalytic tale of a non-believing writer confronted by what appears to be the Messiah -- or the anti-christ.
DLB: The fear of actually getting a real job did it to me. I don't think I have the mentality or wherewithal to do a 9-5 job so I tried everything in my power to find something that I could do to not have to deal with that, something fun that allowed me to escape the real world. When the fear of having to go into the workforce hit me, I tried really, really hard to get to film school and luckily it worked out for me.
Q: What a way to stay out of the conventional workforce -- make a film like Saw. If you do such movies bosses will be afraid to hire you. This one's a little safer. You almost convince people that you believe in religion.
DLB: This is very much a different kind of film. I'm trying to not be pigeonholed into doing one type of film. I'm trying to experiment with a bunch of other stuff. I did Saw, which is very heavily into torture, violence, that kind of thing. Then going on from something like Repo! which is music-based to Mother's Day, which is very much a crime thriller.
I wanted to do something that didn't rely on violence or shock value, and on top of that, do something that was more audience-friendly in a PG-13 kind of way. I've always been fascinated with religion, with people's beliefs, so it was a natural progression for me to make something like this where I can delve into the beliefs that people have.
Q: When you speak about beliefs is it that you have them or that you want to shake us up about ours?
DLB: A little bit of both. I don't know. I flip flop every day on what my real beliefs are. It goes from believing absolutely nothing to absolutely believing in everything. So I think that changes daily and I think that anyone that claims to have an answer or know the answer are hypocrites and lying because no one knows the answer.
When it's called belief you have to believe in something, you have faith. The only faith that I adhere to 100% is I faithfully believe I don't know everything. This is me working out my own demons in the script. Then they actually decided to make the script and turn it into a film, and when I wrote the script it was me voicing my opinions and thoughts.
Q: Have your beliefs changed? Are you going to become a priest?
DLB: They have, and I'll tell you how. There's a behind-the-scenes on the disc, a making of 11-11-11, and when I went to Barcelona I didn't really believe in anything. I grew up Christian but nothing that I could walk around and say I was a bible thumper or a holy roller or anything like that.
But going into this house, the house had a horrible, negative energy in it, and there's no way to describe it outside of saying it was evil. The house felt evil. None of the crew members wanted to shoot there. I don't speak Spanish, so I had a hard time understanding what was going on at the time, but a lot of crew members started quitting and there was something about this house.
I demanded to find information about the house -- they researched it and helped me uncover that the house actually had been used for cult séances and rituals, and there were all sorts of weird, cult-like symbols all over the house. And the further we traced it back the more horrible things we found out took place in this house.
This is not an exaggeration; I'm not joking about this. This is not a ploy for publicity for the movie; it was real. Through the course of filming there was a presence, there were no aberrations I saw, I didn't see ghosts, I didn't see anything, but there was a presence of a weight on your chest, something that drew you down and made you anxious at all times.
Knowing what people will do in the name of their belief system, whether they murder, kill, sacrifice, whatever, is a crazy thing for me to realize. But more importantly than that, being in the middle of this horrible feeling, realizing that the energy that was very much real, and again, unless you were there you can't really describe it, but it was very, very real, it made me question things, to see things differently instead of just writing it off and saying it's a joke.
I was there and saw it, felt it, and it opened my eyes to a lot of things I've got to say.
Q: Did you look at the predecessors to this film like The Omen and some of the others?
DLB: My original edit was much longer, drawn out, very much more Rosemary's Baby, in a way. when you watch Rosemary's Baby, it is very slow and deliberate. You might stay on a lingering shot as we're walking down the hallway for 30 seconds.
The problem is when I turn that version of the movie in you're in a different marketplace now than you were in the '70s when those types of movies were prevalent. You have much more immediate gratification. It’s all now, now, now [these days]. So the movie was trimmed down considerably to make it more accessible to the masses.
But my favorite time of filmmaking came out of the '70s. My favorite style of film was the slow burning films and musicals. In the '70s you had things such as The Exorcist, The Omen, Rosemary’s Baby or The Sentinel.
My other favorite type of film was [the rock musical] like Tommy, Jesus Christ Superstar and Rocky Horror Picture Show. So you had the gamut in the '70s of these out-of-the-box kexperimental films that were appealing to mass audiences at the time.
Q: When you said Tommy I was also thinking about one of director Ken Russell's other great films, The Devils.
DLB: I was lucky enough to meet Ken Russell and do a Q&A and introduce The Devils last year. But the night before I saw The Devils he'd come into town to do the screening I actually got to have dinner with the guy, which was kind of an amazing experience.
First off, the guy is a legend; doing Tommy and then going to do [The Devils]. But he was the most awesome, awkward, hilarious, wrong dude I've ever met. His question and answer at The Devils made me more uncomfortable than I think anything I've done.
An example, someone who raised their hand would ask a question and he would just shake his head and say, “That’s a dumb question. I'm not answering it.” And it would just be silent in the room for like 30 seconds. It was pretty epic.
Q: Were there similarities between you and The Joe Crone character because you're a writer too and do find yourself in isolation when creating?
DLB: The answer is 100% yes. First off that absolutely was me making the movie. I had basically moved to Barcelona to make this film and didn't speak the language and wasn't familiar with the culture. As I came to Barcelona I found myself alone and that changed the script a bit. You see a lot of me in him in the things he says and does.
We cast the movie in Spain and everyone brought in had an EU passport. I had met with at least 30 to 40 different people for that role and couldn't find anyone. There was no one that wowed us. Then Timothy Gibbs comes in -- he used to be a soap opera star in America. And he experienced a tragedy in his own life.
He gave up acting and moved to Barcelona, and what's crazy about the character he's playing, Joseph Crone, is that it’s a character that experiences a tragedy and ends up moving to Barcelona. So not only was that character based on me, but on Timothy Gibbs as well. After suffering a tragedy he dropped out of acting and moved to Barcelona in real life. It's weird the way that character came about.
Q: Funny you picked Spain, because there's been a trend of Spanish horror films-- have you been paying attention to that? Recently The Intruders came out which is directed by a Spanish director.
DLB: I've always been a fan of foreign cinema, and it's such a completely different feel over there. If I shot the movie in America it would be a much, much different film. But when you watch 11-11-11, regardless of whether you hate or love it or are indifferent, it has that European film look to it.
Not only from the sets, but the way the movie was actually put together and made. It was exciting to be able to shoot over there because I've never shot outside of North America. I've shot all my films in Canada, and to be able to go over to [Europe] -- there was a barrier. I didn't speak the language; I had to talk through translators a lot of the time to get everything that we were trying to get. So it was a unique experience.
Q: Does Kansas have a place in your heart for horror? Isn't that where you're from like where Children of the Corn was shot?
DLB: Yes, my love of horror started in Kansas. October in Kansas... October's my favorite month in general, but specifically in Kansas they deck the entire downtown area out in haunted houses. Since leaving Kansas I’ve never seen anything like it.
Not like houses that cost $20 to make. These haunted houses they spend six, seven months getting ready to be up for one month. It was a huge thing that I did every single year with my father. We'd line up, wait two hours to get in to a haunted house that last 45 minutes.
It started there, but originally the script took place in a place called Stull, Kansas. If you're not familiar with Stull, I recommend looking it up. I love urban legends, conspiracy theories and all of that, and supposedly, in Stull, Kansas, there’s one of the gateways to hell houses there.
Q: You should direct an episode of Criminal Minds.
DLB: It's really funny; if you go to my house and look at my bookshelf it's 90% books on serial killers and forensic evidence and things like that. I love stuff like that.
Q: There’s always 666; why 11-11-11?
DLB: It's a real phenomenon that I didn't know about before this movie but if you Google it there is a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge cult that believes in the importance of the number 11 as a celestial number. The real saying comes from a book called The Urantia Book.
Q: Oh I know The Urantia Book.
DLB: It's a fascinating idea and it's this book that was basically no known authors, it was supposedly written by celestial beings. In it there is a thing that talks about the 1,111 Midwayers. They're basically angles that are on our plane to bring us to a higher level of awareness.
Looking through this book, it became a fascinating idea because you realize how many people actually believe in The Urantia Book. That’s how that whole thing came together. But there are entire groups and sects of religion that believe 11-11-11 is a holy day.
Q: There is a quote in the film that Joseph Crone says -- "I found it much easier to believe in the devil than a god" -- because he lost his family. So if someone lost a family member or friend would it be more likely to believe in the devil than god?
DLB: We deal with tragedy, sorrow, pain and suffering, and deal with not being able to pay our mortgage, or getting our car scratched and not having the insurance to fix it. We deal with the small indignities to gargantuan things. How much happiness do we really have is our entire lives?
It's easier to believe in something that's nefarious or bad than to believe there's someone out there that's watching over and protecting us.
That's what that statement was about, is that if there was a god up there you would think there would be more happiness and world peace and dogs would be loving cats and cats loving dogs and there'd be no issues in the world, but there's not. There's disease, famine, rapes, murders, and with that rationale in mind that’s where that statement came from. It's easier to believe in something bad than that there’s something wholly good out there.
Q: I was looking at some of the user reviews. You got slagged and I'm wondering are today's horror fans not able to deal with the kind of great horror that we love with the sense of dread that works with Japanese horror films, and earlier on, with Roman Polanski’s movies. This film shows another way to approach the subject.
DLB: I was raked across the coals on 11-11-11 for numerous reasons. The movie's not for everyone, I get it. I think that it started off with a terrible trailer that was released for the movie that immediately set expectations way over what this movie was going to be. I don't know if you guys ever saw the first trailer, but the first trailer of the film, it was a very cheesy voiceover, it kept saying, "You are fucked."
It would show demons and "From the director of Saw 2, 3, and 4,” and people screaming and all this other shit. I know what the movie is; the movie is a very, very slow burn, very, very slow burn, methodical, religious film.
Q: It's all about psychology.
DLB: Exactly. If you're a teenager and you come in to watch the movie expecting to be being fucked with demons and people screaming, and that's not what it is you're immediately going to rebel and say this movie's shit. Unfortunately, the movie got leaked online a week before its release, and the version that leaked online was not the one getting the theatrical release.
An output of my first cut leaked online. Now, anyone that's ever worked in the movie business or filmmaking knows that 99% of the population can never see past a rough edit. They can't; it's impossible.
The equivalent would be if a child was sick and the mother and father bring him to the hospital to get care and the doctor says, "Hey, his appendix burst; we're going to do surgery on him," and then the doctor calls the parents in the middle of surgery, his guts hanging out and ask, "What do you think?"
You can't look at that. You have to look at the final product; did the kid survive, how did the kid look after the surgery? But the movie was put online and was immediately downloaded from torrent sites. It was there about a week, downloaded by every torrent site, every Pirate Bay, everything like that, on an Avid output of the movie.
All of a sudden reviews started popping up everywhere. The movie was only released in 10 cities, but there were thousands of reviews where people had not seen the movie. They'd seen an Avid output from the three weeks in the edit.
It was really unfortunate. Then couple that with a bad trailer that basically sets it out to be something it wasn't. So I think that the expectations were skewed by a lot of people.
Q: It's like movies like The Omen, where you confront in a serious way using horror tropes profound issues about god and reality raising questions like "Does god exist, does the devil exist, who is the devil, how do we tell?" And of course you have to deliver the goods of the twist and the scary part.
DLB: I really appreciate that. More so than anything what I'm trying to do with myself as a filmmaker and a career is to do different types of films to show my versatility as a director going from Saw, Repo! to 11-11-11.
I'm doing another movie right now, I'm actually on the road with it, The Devil's Carnival, which is another rock opera, a Rocky Horror Picture Show kind of thing. It's to continually do new and interesting things.
Q: Which is the film that you're supposedly drawing on -- Lloyd Kaufman and Troma?
DLB: Kaufman? I finished the film, it was released believe it or not, on Mother's Day, because it is a remake of the 1982 Mother's Day, one of Troma's original and finest. I took a very different spin on it than Troma did.
Lloyd and Charles Kaufman were actually out on the set when we filmed it, and it's a very, very serious, dark look at the bond that children and mothers have with one another. It stars Rebecca De Mornay.
Q: You wrote the screenplay for 11-11-11. Is it much easier when you're writing a screenplay and directing at the same time? All of the Saw movies are done by other writers.
DLB: It's actually harder. I thought it would be easier. It's actually much harder because I'm so tied to what I wrote, and I don't mean I don't want to change it, that's not it. For 11-11-11, for example, I wrote the movie in a month and then two days later I was on a plan to Barcelona and there was no time that I could separate myself from what I wrote.
With the movies I didn't write I have no ties to it when I walk in, and so I read it and I'm like, "Okay this works, this works, this doesn't work, I'm not going to shoot that, I'll shoot this." When I write something at that point in my mind everything worked or I wouldn't put it on paper, I wouldn't have written it.
I wish I would have had at least a month off. If I was going to do this again, and it's actually funny that after I've written the last three movies I've done and sold them which is exciting for me. But I would always do something different from this point on; I would take a break, walk away from it for a month, two months, and then come back and approach it as a director.
In this I was directing approaching it as a writer, and so in moving forward I would probably take a break after I write something before I try to film it.
At a special screening of Battleship for a select few at the Nite Hawk Cinema in Brooklyn -- where the seats had miniature tables attached -- there were bowls of regular and gourmet popcorn. Drinks were also served before and during the screening as waiters crouched down slinking through the aisles so as to not disturb the viewing.
This was a perfect setting for the interview that followed with singing star Rihanna via Skype who was in Hawaii -- where the sci-fi action thriller had been shot.
I began by asking the sultry pop music diva now making her acting debut what characteristics she shared with her sailor character Raikes -- a beautiful-yet-tough-as-nails gunner -- other than the same monogram.
“I think mostly being one of the boys,” Rihanna replied. “I really liked that. I was used to that, growing up with my brothers, and all my cousins. It was rarely any girls around, and I didn’t feel out of place.”
Boys love playing with guns and she went on to say that what she will miss most about playing her character were the guns. “Most of the fun was on set, doing the actual shooting, and using the weapons. That was some of my favorite parts, the weapons, all the stunts and the fighting scenes. I did a lot of training with a female soldier, who's a real weapons officer. She taught me a lot about weapons and drills, the whole etiquette, and the body language. I would have never had those experiences, had it not been for shooting this film. That was definitely fun to play.”
In addition to having fun, the Battleship shoot was very revealing for the Barbados-born Robyn Rihanna Fenty. “I actually learned a lot about myself,” the 24-year-old disclosed. “I mean, I had to delve into, you know, different emotions and things that I had been avoiding, I guess, not even knowing. I guess I put up this face, and I don't want people to see me weak or anything, or vulnerable. I did that for so long that I kind of had to break that down. And it really taught me a lot about myself. It was a great experience.”
The award-winning pop idol also learned that being a video queen does not help when on set of a big blockbuster movie. “I thought the [video work] would help,” she laughed, “but little did I know. It was a completely different beast. It was brand new, and it was a whole different experience. It was a much bigger set. I had to use dialog and I never really use that in my videos; it's usually just me acting to a track, a musical track. That was different. Having an accent, too.”
And director Peter Berg was taking no prisons, she explained. “Peter Berg, he's very spontaneous and fearless. He pushed me a lot and he threw me out there, right away from day one. I didn't even have a chance to really think about what I was doing. I was right out into the scenes.
"On the first day I had no lines. So I didn't have lines prepared, I was just in character. Then all of a sudden, It was like, I had 12 lines in my first scene. I liked that, the improv. I had to learn really, really quickly.”
She added, “Working with Peter as a director made me feel safe. His enthusiasm made me trust him and I believed he could really putt it [what he needed in the role] out of me.”
With a big budget movie under her belt, millionaire Rihanna, who is now #4 on Forbes’ Celebrity 100 list with an array of hit singles, has no intentions of putting music on pause.
“I don't think music could ever be on hold for me,” she acknowledged, “because it's something that I love to do. So even if there isn’t a deadline or a specific project, I will always feel empty not making music. I will always get that bug. Even right now, I'm still going a little crazy. I can't wait to go in the studio, just to play around with songs.
"I can do that, because that doesn't become work for me. I am going to make time to do some more films. I really liked my first experience with Battleship, so I'm looking forward to doing more. But I can't say goodbye to music.”
What do Edie Falco, Liev Schreiber, Naomi Watts and Harvey Keitel have in common besides Actor's Equity? Google "Oran Etkin" and find out. Judging by the raves posted on his site, they're among the ecstatic parents whose children are now mini music mavens thanks to the Grammy Award winner's imaginative instruction.
Fairfield County parents -- and kids -- can see what the fuss is about when Oran presents PJ Jamboree: Jammin' in the Park on June 18, 2012, at Old Greenwich, Connecticut's Binney Park. (Details are at jccgreenwich.org, site of host organization JCC Greenwich.) They won't come away humming nursery rhymes. Rather, they'll be vibing to his global adventures and the melodies and rhythms he picked up along the way.
Oran is a linguist and a language teacher. That is, if you consider music a universal language. He does. The Israeli-born, U.S.-raised musician and composer is fluent in several dialects: klezmer, West African music and jazz. His method of teaching music to newborns-to-6 year olds, "Timbalooloo," incorporates the basic grammar and vocabulary of music through games, stories, songs and dance.
Do children learn music as instinctively as verbal language? When reached for insight, Oran confirmed that children have a natural musicality. "They’re always singing -- it’s like they live in a musical." He also gave a teaser of what to expect on the 18th.
Q: What are the perils of waiting till kids are older to teach music?
A: Like spoken language, the earlier they assimilate it the better. But it's also about how we teach at an older age. You take a course and after you´ve learned all the rules, you can kind of piece something together and it kind of sounds like a sentence -- but not -- because there are mistakes.
You never see a child studying like that. We can teach all the techniques and rules about harmony, but it's not the same as internalizing it intuitively in early childhood.
Q: How do you teach music to infants?
A: For them it's more about connecting with the care-giver through rhythm and melody and starting to experience all the contrasts. Why do people enjoy music, what makes it fundamentally happen? A big part of that is all the contrasts. So you can break it down to the most fundamental contrast, which is sound versus silence. That’s kind of like a peekaboo game, if you will -- seeing versus not seeing. So even when the kids are very small, they enjoy that contrast between shaking the shaker and all of a sudden the silence when it stops.
Q: How do you teach instruments?
A: Once they’re verbal, it opens up a whole new world where we can teach them through storytelling and humor. They start to respond to silly things like the idea of a clarinet coming to the concert or class in its bed. In Wake Up, Clarinet!, I’ll tell the kids my friend Clara came and she’s really excited about being there but she's still sleepy. So I "wake up" my clarinet and she starts talking, "Ma Ma, I want Ma Ma." Pretty soon we're all singing and dancing.
Q: While learning music, what else can kids discover?
A: In a safe environment, kids can explore all the emotions they naturally feel. Music doesn’t always have to be superficially happy; there can be some kind of depth to it. For me, the deepest music has happiness and sadness and melancholy all mixed in. Kids also learn to listen to the silence and put something beautiful in there -- and then figure out how to add their own voice to create more beauty. When you think about skills for life, that’s one of the most important ones.
Q: So they can get more attuned to listening to people through music?
A: Even if you’re the CEO of a big company, what you're really doing is listening to what’s going on, and then trying to do whatever's necessary to create more beauty.
Q: Maybe they'll start listening to their parents...
A: Family therapy through music!
Q: At least they'll get good grades in History -- talk a little about how your storytelling approach gives historical and cultural context.
A: So for the older kids we´ll sing a Creole song called Eh La Bas, and there'll be a story about King Louis XIV that leads into a bit of the history of France and Louisiana -- because that’s who Louisiana is named after -- and why they speak French there. They see pictures of King Louis and start to get a feel and a flavor for that time period and what it was like to go for days over the ocean and see water all around until you come to land and suddenly discover a swamp.
They´ll also learn what the Creole lyrics mean. It's a fun story about a king that helps children personally connect to the song. With other stories they become very close to Dizzy Gillespie or Herbie Hancock or Mozart. I tell a story about Mozart as a little boy going to see the king and they imagine themselves in his place.
Q: How do you turn them on to jazz?
A: We tell a story about the kingdom of jazz with the Duke -- Duke Elington -- and the Princess -- Ella Fitzgerald -- that leads us into singing songs by Ellington, George Gershwin, etc. and learning to play some of them on the instruments. So we sing and play [the Dizzy Gillespie and Kenny Clarke classic] Salt Peanuts. Then we take a trip around the world, all the way from Duke's place down to Africa. By pretending that certain notes are characters or places, we use the stories to explain how to play a song.
Q: Do they naturally take to different genres or is it like trying to get a kid who only likes cereal and peanut butter to sample exotic cuisine?
A: There's a wide musical vocabulary that comes from listening to music from all over the world. When you think about the kind of music we grew up with for children here in the US, things like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, it’s all quarter notes. The melody is all major scale 4/4; it’s all a very straight-and-narrow set of vocabulary. You wouldn’t talk to kids with such a narrow vocabulary; you talk to them with the full vocabulary so they learn everything.
When they hear different sounds, whether jazz, blues, classical or African, Cuban, Brazilian, they get to explore and be transported beyond where they are physically and understand that the world is bigger than what they see. They learn about each culture and see how they can mix and cooperate together.
Q: The name of your band, Kelenia, translates to “love for other.”
A: Yes, exactly.
[Adult fans may want to check out his Kelenia album on the Motema label, which boasts a fusion of American jazz and Malian sounds with oniony Jewish accents. It took a 2010 Independent Music Award for best world-beat CD.]
Around midnight on July 4, 1976, in Uganda's Entebbe Airport, a 30-year-old Israeli named Jonathan "Yoni" Netanyahu was heading a mission to rescue more than 100 hostages and kill their guerrilla captors. He didn't survive to tell the tale, but his friends, significant others and writings did, and they speak for him in Follow Me: The Yoni Netanyahu Story.
The documentary by Jonathan Gruber and Ari Daniel Pinchot ouijas his charismatic, driven spirit in a portrait that both haunts and uplifts. Yoni's own poetry, prose and letters are used to narrate the film, which also weaves home movies and news coverage of the Entebbe raid anchored by CBS legend Walter Cronkite.
Rounding out the testimony are interviews with Shimon Peres, Ehud Barak and other prominent figures in the young hero's life.
Perhaps you've heard of his younger brother, Benjamin. Israel's current prime minister movingly recounts what it was like to break news of Yoni's death to their parents. Their father, scholar Benzion Netanyahu, had brought the family to the U.S. for an academic position when Yoni was in high school. Later Yoni too would answer the siren's call of academe when Harvard dangled a scholarship, and soon after when he transferred to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
The combination of lyrical gift, intellectual curiosity and hyperresponsibility yielded a poet-warrior who toggled between studies and soldiering, the United States and Israel, romantic yearnings and martyric crusades. He served as commander of the special forces unit Sayeret Matkal and fought in Israel's 1967 and 1973 wars.
As the title suggests, Follow Me's hard-burning subject had leadership in his DNA. From what unfurls onscreen, it's hard not to conclude that this immensely talented young man would have risen to a postion of prominence in whatever field he chose. Yet it's equally suggestive that his demons would have followed him there.
In an especially stirring excerpt from one of his letters, the much mythologized combattant ponders the inglories of war: ''To kill at such very close range ... to the point of pressing the muzzle against the flesh and pulling the trigger for a single bullet to be released and kill accurately ... adds a whole dimension of
sadness to a man's being. Not a momentary, transient sadness, but something that sinks in and is forgotten, yet is there and endures.''
When asked about Yoni's ambivalence, the filmmakers stressed his complex character.
"He was constantly thinking about different political positions, point-counterpoint, and then debating them and constantly struggling with all of these different points," said Pinchot. "He hates war, but he becomes an assassin. This makes him not just a fascinating character but a real human being -- someone who makes choices and wrestles with them at the same time."
Pinchot and Gruber shared their own experiences in wrestling with how to tell Yoni's story, a creative process that Pinchot began 16 years prior to the film's completion.
Q: The film is called Follow Me, yet Yoni's love of Israel, sense of duty and standards of performance were probitively high for most people to join with him. Talk about your choice of title and whether Yoni was aware of that paradox.
JG: Yoni had really high standards and he did expect people to work as hard as they possibly could. You see from his first days in the army there was a story about him carrying a stretcher that was for two people and he was yelling at his troop -- and one of them says, "We admire him, but he wasn't very popular." But he was commander of the most elite unit of the Israel Defence Forces, so if you're not going to demand exceptionalism from the people under you, then why would you be commander?
With other Sayeret Matkal commanders as well there was extreme rigor in what they asked for. Yoni was actually unlike some other commanders who were very much on top of the people they commanded. He put a lot of faith in his soldiers. He said, "I know you can do it." As Omer Bar-Lev said at the end of film, "He had more faith in us than we had in ourselves." That speaks to someone who can let go and step off when needed.
ADP: We didn't think that people would be able to follow every bit of his life since he really was an exceptional person. The idea wasn't, Can I follow him in terms of being this remarkable scholar or great athlete, or can I be as good looking as Yoni Netanyahu? He had all of these great characteristics, yet he still maintained a devotion to great sacrifice to a higher calling, something bigger than himself. If you see that as an example, then the "Follow Me" is pretty clear.
Q: Yoni was constantly challenging himself and others, but according to an intimate friend of his, he also had a tendency to panic. Were you aware of this, and if so, what prompted you to omit it from the film?
ADP: We never heard that. The fact that he was given command of the riskiest mission says something. I don't think they would have given it to someone who had a tendancy to panic. From our research and conversations, we got the opposite. He actually had a tendency in great stress and danger to be quite calm and soothing to his men and to himself.
Q: To what extent did Yoni's status as a sacred martyr discourage you from digging into his shadows?
ADP: In the past he really has been a myth and an icon and less a human being. It's understandable. But we were trying to push the envelope beyond the one or two dimensions that people have known about Yoni before. Yoni didn't have a perfect relationship with everybody. He was a tough commander. He was a husband who had a very complicated relationship with his wife. If you can still make tough choices knowing that there are downsides and ramifications, that makes it even more heroic -- real heroism, not Hollywood's version.
Q: What impact did Yoni's father have on his decisions and worldview? How did Yoni feel about Professor Netanyahu's Revisionist Zionist politics, which were a big factor in his leaving then Labor-dominated Israel in search of an academic career in the US?
JG: We didn't want it to be a political film, too closely associated to the politics of the country. Benzion was 101 when we interviewed him, so we didn't get as much as we would've liked in terms of the relationship between the two of them. But to share a few observations, the father's patriotism on a deep emotional level was passed along to the son. Another fascinating characteristic that translated to Yoni was the father's ability of concentration and hard work. His father's book on the Marrano Jews was a humongous undertaking, and he was able with three rambunctious boys to focus on his work at an incredible level and for a long time.
Q: Professor Netanyahu clearly had divided academic, ideological and familial commitments. Did Yoni, as the eldest brother, assume the brunt of this?
JG: He was constantly trying to find his own road, which really was one of the reasons we were so drawn to him. Clearly there was a tremendous amount of respect to his parents and their intellectual prowess and the values they gave. Yet Yoni left his family to go back to Israel. He constantly battled with balancing everything in his life.
Q: He was at war within and without. Now for a filmic question: what informed the story's nonlinear structure?
JG: Ari's vision for the film -- he was working on it for close to 16 years -- were these two parallel stories of Yoni's life and the Entebbe operation building towards each other. It gives a sense of destiny, that his life has always been going towards this. When I came on board (I agreed that) it was very powerful for the viewer to be in the Entebbe story and leave it at the right moment so you sense that the tension is building on each day of the week. And with Yoni there are real chapters of his life, which felt like good places to leave off, especially with the poetry of his own words, when he's struggling at high school or after his marriage ends.
Q: How did you use audio and visual elements to underscore the timeshifting?
JG: Visually we tried to different the Entebbe story. It's a little more letter box than the Yoni story. It begins in black and white. The music is very different. When we come back to Yoni's story, it's full-screen; it's color. You hear the voice of Yoni and you know you're back in his story.
Q: How did you get the audio recording of the Entebbe operation?
JP: The Entebbe operation audio had been released just a couple of years prior. It adds an authenticity that hasn't existed before. Likewise we got recently released documents for the week of planning. In the film there's a black and white schematic of the airport and an airplane that flies in, that's the actual planning document.
Q: How would the film have been different had it come out as you originally intended, 16 years ago?
ADP: One of the great things that happened in waiting these 16 years is that the people we did interview were much more comfortable talking about Yoni as a human being than they would have been had I talked to them 16 years before. For instance, the unit's comfort in talking about the conflicts they had with Yoni was something that they probably would not have talked about earlier. We know that [his wife] Tuti would not have talked about her story. It was the first time she ever spoke on film. Even now she was very hesitant. We felt like we should talk about the miscarraiges and the divorce. We found Yoni to be much more relatable that way.
Q: Why did it take 16 years to make the film?
ADP: We were kind of threading a very small needle. We wanted the film to be funded; we wanted it to be a nonprofit and we wanted it to be funded by people who were not associated with the family or Israel. Finding that person wasn't easy. We wanted it to be a story about a person, not a cause.
Q: Who took the plunge?
A: The funder who ended up funding it was a New York Wall Street person, Mark Manson, whom I was financing feature films with. We were at a restaurant and he asked me what projects I was thinking about. I told him about this one, never thinking he would have any interest in it. He fell in love with it and ended up greenlighting it at the lunch. He saw it as a love story -- a love triangle among a man and the people in his life that he loved and his country.